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Italian Television the Latest to Enter the “911” Ring

Debbie Lewis | 15.05.2007 20:42 | Analysis | Iraq

In late April, Italian Television, Canale 5, aired a segment by Luogocomune.net that presents many questions to the official story of one of the most tragic events in US History.

Since the introduction of “911 In Plane Site” (1) in the Summer of 2004, there have been many revealing documentaries about the goings on surrounding the September 11, 2001 plane crashes and the disintegration of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7. Many of these fine documentaries have never been televised on the American mainstream media. Overseas television, however, has taken quite an interest in what American independent filmmakers have to offer. Some overseas stations have even begun producing their own “911” documentaries, with surprising results.

The collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, otherwise known as the Solomon Brother’s Building, has finally come under critical fire from outside the “911 movement.” In April of this year, another overseas production weighed into the awful “911 Tragedy.” Canale 5, Italian TV aired an excellent segment on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. The revelations in segment three, entitled “Seven is exploding” (2), presented by Luogocomune.net, are not really new to the 911 truth seekers, but for the rest of the world, these revelations should prove to be astonishing.

Many people that did manage to take a second, more analytical, look at the destruction of Building 7 think it looks amazingly like a controlled demolition. According to “Seven is exploding,” the official versions weakest point is “the collapse of Building 7, as no steel-structure had ever collapsed before due to fire.” They are not the first to say this, but at least it is being questioned, and not attacked, on Italian television, as attacks are ongoing in the United States. In “Seven is exploding,” one expert questioning the official story is Danny Jowenko, head of a controlled demolition company. He declares, “…it’s been imploded,” it was a hired job, done by a team of experts.

The horribly misguided English BBC special “The Conspiracy Files: 911,” (3), buys into the “official story” of the demise of Building 7, while the Italian program questions everything. In the BBC special, the narrator points out that the collapse of Building 7 was hardly reported by news outlets. There is also the observation of the cameraman shooting the interview with Popular Mechanics Researcher Davin Coburn, when he states that the destruction of Building 7 “…does look exactly like a controlled demolition,” yet in the end, the BBC program, with the help of Coburn, concludes “the idea that it was a demolition holds no water.”

Dr. Steven Jones, in a peer-reviewed paper (4), points out that WTC 7 had twenty-four “huge steel support columns inside…arranged non-symmetrically,” and there were some 57 columns around the perimeter. Only three of the support columns and nine of the perimeter columns were damaged, not by a plane or fires, but by falling debris from the collapse of WTC 1. Interestingly enough, both the narrator of the Italian piece and a recent Zogby poll state that the 911 Commission did not investigate the collapse of Building 7. Was that not something that should have been examined? Just another, more political, question…did our taxpayer dollars fund the 911 Commission and did we get our money’s worth?

Zogby International conducted a fascinating poll (5), nearly a year ago, with some intriguing result. Of the people polled, 43% did not realize that WTC 7 had, in fact, collapsed. These findings are shocking considering that other results during the same poll showed that 48% of the people did not think the government and the 911 Commission were covering anything up. This makes one wonder, if these people knew about Building 7, would the results have been different in the cover-up question?

There are a great many independent films out there that show video of the crumbling of WTC 7 in upon itself. There are many professors, Dr. Jim Fetzer, Dr. Kevin Barrett, Dr. Steven Jones, Dr. David Ray Griffin and others talking about the oddities of this and more, as well. “Seven is exploding” concludes with questions and statements being asked on television in Italy that I know many would like asked here. “But it appears to have been demolished in purpose. Why then not tell the truth right away? And if the authorities have been lying to us about building 7, how do we know they haven’t been lying about all the rest as well?” The conclusions seem to be the same; if it looks like a controlled demolition, falls like a controlled demolition, and compares to a controlled demolition, it must be a controlled demolition!

Endnotes:

(1) www.911inplanesite.com
(2)  http://www.ichblog.eu:80/index.php?option=com_seyret&task=videodirectlink&id=55818
(3)  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/6160775.stm
(4)  http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/Why_Indeed_Did_the_WTC_Buildings_Completely_Collapse_Jones_Thermite_World_Trade_Center.pdf Pgs 19 & 20
(5)  http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=231 Results for question 24 and 25


Debbie Lewis
- e-mail: pressbox@bridgestonemediagroup.com
- Homepage: http://www.911inplanesite.com

Additions

9/11 Truth existed long before Dave von Kleist

15.05.2007 22:02

'Since the introduction of “911 In Plane Site” (1) in the Summer of 2004'

That is as far back as 9/11 truth goes as far as you are concerned, eh? What about Alex Jones' '911: The Road to Tyranny' which was released in December 2001? Or Barry Zwicker's 2002 Documentaries 'The Great Deception' or 'The Great Conspiracy: The 9/11 News Special You Never Saw'. And others.

Besides, 'In Plane Site' was so full of serious errors that a retraction video had to be posted on Dave von Kleist's Power Hour website and its main premise has been almost universally discredited and as far as I remember doesn't even mention WTC7. It was hastily re-edited and re-issued with the pretentious title 'In Plane Site: The Director's Cut'.

Tim (Book 2)


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The times they are a changin'

15.05.2007 22:07

Noteworthy also, how Indymedia UK's attitude towards the 9/11 Truth movement has changed in the last couple of years.

Tim (Book 2)


Disinformation

15.05.2007 22:15

The content above is OK, but Dr. Jim Fetzer pushes all sorts of disinfo (which is why the BBC were happy to have him on their debunking show) and In Plane Sight is best avoided -- read these if you want to know more:

 http://www.oilempire.us/inplanesite.html

 http://www.911review.com/disinfo/videos.html#ips

For more on this kind of thing the audio here is good:

 http://www.visibility911.com/cointelpro.htm

Chris


Indymedia and 9/11

15.05.2007 22:46

Some people involved with Indymedia think 9/11 was an inside job and some are totally convinced that it wasn't, the rest are in between I guess...

Last year Sheffield Indymedia screened a lot of 9/11 related films:

The Summer of Truth
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2006/05/341703.html

Last September this feature article was written about 9/11 but it never made it to the front page because there wasn't agreement over it, this also covers the different attitudes to 9/11 -- NYC will hide anything 9/11 Truth related but sites like Indybay do cover 9/11 Truth protests:

11th September 2001, Five Years On
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2006/09/350617.html

London Indymedia, which has no agreement on 9/11, is screening Every Bodies Gotta Learn Sometime and Ludicrous Diversions on Tuesday July 10th:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/london/2007/02/363720.html

So, most 9/11 related articles are no longer hidden on this site but some disinfo ones are and the one above might be one of the ones that goes...


Chris


One problem...

15.05.2007 23:09

how do you define what is a "disinfo" article, and what is not?

Tom A


Spotting Disinformation

15.05.2007 23:29

As with any subject the more time you spend learning about it the quicker you can discriminate material related to the subject.

The last article that was hidden, presumed to be disinformation, hidden as non-news, was this one:

The Gray Plane, That No One Saw
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/370077

Did you listen to the COINTELPRO audio on  http://www.visibility911.com/ linked to above? Have you studied Jim Hoffman's sites and the material on  http://oilempire.us/ ?

One of the biggest mine fields is the the UK truth movements discussion board site,  http://nineleven.co.uk/ -- I think it's generally best avoided,  http://911blogger.com/ is far better -- they deal with the crazy stuff a lot better, the last segment of this audio backs this assessement up:

UK 9/11 Truth round table
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/369635.html

Chris


One answer

16.05.2007 02:13

I doubt this applies to anyone except myself but how I define what is a "disinfo" article, and what is not, is to watch what MI5 agents post about here and then assume the opposite is true. Of course first you have to identifiy the agents.

I can't give you much proof of this but last year I was heavily critical of 911 posts on IM. I hadn't been 'recruited' by MI5, that was my natural position, but I had been groomed and conditioned partly because of that opinion. Once I realised I was being groomed by an infiltrator, I had the conscience and wit to reverse my opinion. I still haven't had the time to investigate 911, and am still unsure of the merit in doing so, I know none of the facts. I also know MI5 only publicise against a few main targets, and the 911ers are one of those targets, while sucking up to the gullibles. So why would the security services smear a false argument ? I haven't reversed my opinion on any other world issue in the past 20 years, but this has made me apologise to the 911 movement I used to criticise.

Danny


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